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PJ Jones and the #04
It's been a week since Sonoma and looking at the stats on Jayski and Nascar.com I noticed that there hasn't been any points awarded to PJ Jones for his run in the #04. Also, no points were awarded to Robby in the owner's standings. Even the car that qualifies 44th gets 31 owner's points. Was there any reason for this? On another note, since both road course cars remain intact, does RGM plan on running a second car at Watkins Glen? Does anyone have any insight in regards to either of these matters?
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Permalink Reply by R. ALDRIDGE on
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PJ was a late entry. When that happens you run for $ but no owner or driver points if you enter a car after the deadline. I'm wondering about WG too, TOG?
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Permalink Reply by NIKAL on
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Ok here's how I understand it. The fastest non-qualifier on race day earns 31 points for his owner, three down from the 43rd-place points. The scale continues downward for all non-qualifiers, with the lowest possible point awarded being one.
Now why PJ did not get any points I believe is because NASCAR rules state that your entry form must be filed out and sent to NASCAR by a spacific date. I heard the cut off date was 13 days prior to the race qualifying date (Friday's). Any team that enters that race after NASCAR's cut off date will not earn any driver points, owner points or manufacture points. They can still race for prize money and race contingency awards but that would be it. This rule would apply to any team, even a top 10 in points team. NASCAR also specify's that all entry's are non refundable, even if they do not except your entry form they still keep your money. Also by looking at the calender RGM's Daytona Entry Form would have had to been recieved by NASCAR before they got to Sonoma.
On a side note I was told that NASCAR mail's out the entry forms to all the teams on the same day. Then 99% of the teams fill them out that same day and mail them back overnight express letter as NASCAR uses the postage date as the order to process the entry's. Also this way if a teams entry form and check gets lost in the mail (UPS or Fed Ex) they can send another one before the cut off date. I have heard these entry forms are long and look like legal docs that you would expect to see a lawyer to read and understand. Also the entry fee's are around $3300 per race and if you enter after the cut off date then you fee's are $4500. Also these fee's are broken down for spacific things. Like one might be a track entry fee and another is an inspection fee and so on. From what I gathered the inspection fee is the bulk of the entry fee. (Approx $2000) And if you wreck your car in practice and roll a back up car out you have to enter that car with NASCAR and pay for another inspection fee.
Now I could be a bit wrong on some of the details, but I'm pretty sure this is how it works. Also this would explain why we see some smaller teams sponsor's listed as TBA sometimes, and yet we have heard that a team might have a one time sponsor for that race. Its because when they sent in their entry form 13 days prior they did not have a sponsor listed on their entry form.
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Permalink Reply by Beagle7 on
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I thought they awarded drivers points BUT NOT Owners points...but I guess it is both.
Also a side note to this rule is you cannot use a PCP if you are a late entry (hence if we had thrown Bill Elliot in the #04 like we did PJ, he would have to race in and not be guaranteed a starting spot no matter what due to his PCP).
Thats why it isnt so easy as...oh lets throw a past champion in the car to get it in......you have to have that planned at least 13 days prior.
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Yes and the 13 days is the cut off date from what I understand. I dont know exactly how far in advance NASCAR sends out the Race Entry Forms. I would think it would be 1 month before, but I dont know for sure. If NASCAR does send them out 1 month prior and knowing 99% of the teams fill them out and send them back overnight the same day as they recieve them, then you would have to think that this weeks Daytona Entry Form was actually probably recieved at the race race shops and then sent back right after the May 31st Dover race, and before the June 7th Pocono race.
Also I was told on the entry forms you must fill out which contingency awards you are signed up to have. So if you do not make that you are part of the GoodYear Gatorback Belts contingency and then when you get to the track you want to add or if you just forgot, its to late. These forms are like legal forms and what you fill out is what your signed up for.
And their are different tiers of teams and awards and that needs to be filled out properly. Like are you a teams that was a top 25 last season? Was your team in the Chace last season? Thats a different tier then a 28th place finishing team.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Meyer on
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Thanks guys for taking the time to answer, that was exactly the info I was looking for. I actually have been wondering about that for years as there has been other cars that ran and didn't accumulate points either. Now I know why. Sweet!!
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Permalink Reply by Turtle7 on
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Two questions... What happened with PJ's car to force him to drop out? And the rhetorical question, where is there a copy of the NASCAR rule book posted? I have a feeling that it has more pages in it then the Bible.
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Regarding the #04 car. Nothing happened to the car to force him to drop out. It was planned, they listed it as a steering issue, but that is just RGM's excuse to Start & Park for the 43rd place money. I believe it is mandatory that NASCAR has to know why you have withdrawn from a race. If you look all S&P teams will list some sort of mechanical issue as why they DNF the race.
Really think about it, they have every possible steering part available to them in the hauler. If that was the #7 with a steering issue they would have been able to replace the part and had him back on the track within a few laps.
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Thanks NIKAL. I wonder if he broke even on the venture with the transportation cost to the coast along with extra pit crew money and the cost for the motor. Plus the cost in the shop to build the car and the driver's salary. Or was this his back up car? If so, then he made some money on the deal.
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I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that it was the #7 back up car that was being used. So their would be no additional transportation costs. The back up car would have already had a motor in it, and you always bring more then one motor to the track anyways. So their is no additional Traid Engine bills. I did hear his dad was listed as the CC and I'm sure he was not paying him. You will have to pay the annual NASCAR crew fee's though. I dont know who or what kind of pit crew he had. I would assume he hired a few guys who were looking for extra cash. Maybe a a truck or nationwide guy, and these guys would already have payed their annual NASCAR fee's. When my friend was racing the Camping World West/East series, their team would hire Nationwide crew guys when they would race at the same track as the NASCAR guys. He said it was a few hundred bucks per guy, so not too bad. And you figure Robby probably payed PJ a few grand if he made the show, which he did.
So I would say RGM made money entering the #04.
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Permalink Reply by alan4s on
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It was posted here on that race weekend that it was the off-road crew, under Baja Bob working PJ's car. I don't know if Robby paid them extra for the race, but if I was on that crew I think I'd do it just for hotel, race tickets, and hot passes - especially if you knew up front it was a start and park deal.
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